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		<title>By: MLE</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2007/12/05/this-may-be-blasphemous-to-some/#comment-3068</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 03:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: shamanism is not my way &#171; Fiadhiglas Wordsmithery</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2007/12/05/this-may-be-blasphemous-to-some/#comment-2731</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shamanism is not my way &#171; Fiadhiglas Wordsmithery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 20:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] stuff I&#8217;ve read about core shamanism seemed to be missing something essential, and apparently that was cultural [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Criticisms of Core Shamanism &#171; The Fenland Druid</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2007/12/05/this-may-be-blasphemous-to-some/#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Criticisms of Core Shamanism &#171; The Fenland Druid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WilliamC</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2007/12/05/this-may-be-blasphemous-to-some/#comment-1521</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;…but the more I read about shamanism in general and the more I develop my own practices, the more I realize that I really don’t care for core shamanism.&quot;&quot;

Yes, indeed lady...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;…but the more I read about shamanism in general and the more I develop my own practices, the more I realize that I really don’t care for core shamanism.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Yes, indeed lady&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anth_student</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2007/12/05/this-may-be-blasphemous-to-some/#comment-813</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi- I&#039;m an anthropology student who&#039;s looking into some stuff on shamanic theory at the moment.  Caveat: I haven&#039;t yet managed to read more than a couple of articles by Harner, I&#039;m not a shamanic practitioner myself, and I haven&#039;t collected any primary data on shamanic communities (either Western or non-Western).  So, I&#039;m really pretty ignorant on the topic.

That said, I agree with pretty much every point you make with regards to CS- these are the same problems I have with a lot of academic theories on shamanism (although I&#039;m also not a huge fan of the opposite end of the spectrum, where researchers use the word &#039;shamanism&#039; as a shorthand for &quot;whatever oral traditions of ritual this cultural group happen to have&quot;, and aren&#039;t really interested in clarifying their use of the word or entering into debate about how the rituals they&#039;ve studied compare to the &#039;shamanism&#039; practiced by other peoples).

Given how prolific your own reading obviously is, I don&#039;t know if this will be much use to you- but I&#039;m in the process of blogging some of my thoughts on a book called &#039;The Concept of Shamanism: uses and abuses&#039; by Henri-Paul Francfort and Roberte N. Hamayon.  It&#039;s basically an academic anthology of critiques on the theories on shamanism developed by Lewis-Williams et al. (who propose a similar thing to CS, but in relation to archaeological evidence rather than ethnographic data or their own personal experience).

They make a lot of good points, but so far I&#039;m getting the impression that Hamayon (at least) may be jumping to conclusions about Western people who develop their own shamanic practices (basically, Hamayon worries that some academics may be tailoring their descriptions of non-Western shamanism so as to exclude anything which Westerners are likely to be uncomfortable with- which is a very valid concern, but I get the feeling that maybe she&#039;s blaming the Western New Age and Pagan movements without necessarily having done all that much research on them.  Which is kind of why I&#039;m here reading this article, really.)

She also argues that the idea of a upper, lower and middle world is not held by all Siberian shamans (I assume she&#039;s referring specifically to the Evenk here)- she gets the impression that it might be a partially-successful attempt to reconcile traditional Evenk beliefs with Russian Christianity and Chinese Buddhism, with their depictions of Heaven and Hell.  I can&#039;t read her original research on this, unfortunately (since it&#039;s in French), but it&#039;s an interesting idea.

Whew, long response, sorry.  My review of Hamayon&#039;s article is here:
http://anthropometamorphosis.blogspot.com/2009/01/review-of-concept-of-shamanism-uses-and.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi- I&#8217;m an anthropology student who&#8217;s looking into some stuff on shamanic theory at the moment.  Caveat: I haven&#8217;t yet managed to read more than a couple of articles by Harner, I&#8217;m not a shamanic practitioner myself, and I haven&#8217;t collected any primary data on shamanic communities (either Western or non-Western).  So, I&#8217;m really pretty ignorant on the topic.</p>
<p>That said, I agree with pretty much every point you make with regards to CS- these are the same problems I have with a lot of academic theories on shamanism (although I&#8217;m also not a huge fan of the opposite end of the spectrum, where researchers use the word &#8216;shamanism&#8217; as a shorthand for &#8220;whatever oral traditions of ritual this cultural group happen to have&#8221;, and aren&#8217;t really interested in clarifying their use of the word or entering into debate about how the rituals they&#8217;ve studied compare to the &#8216;shamanism&#8217; practiced by other peoples).</p>
<p>Given how prolific your own reading obviously is, I don&#8217;t know if this will be much use to you- but I&#8217;m in the process of blogging some of my thoughts on a book called &#8216;The Concept of Shamanism: uses and abuses&#8217; by Henri-Paul Francfort and Roberte N. Hamayon.  It&#8217;s basically an academic anthology of critiques on the theories on shamanism developed by Lewis-Williams et al. (who propose a similar thing to CS, but in relation to archaeological evidence rather than ethnographic data or their own personal experience).</p>
<p>They make a lot of good points, but so far I&#8217;m getting the impression that Hamayon (at least) may be jumping to conclusions about Western people who develop their own shamanic practices (basically, Hamayon worries that some academics may be tailoring their descriptions of non-Western shamanism so as to exclude anything which Westerners are likely to be uncomfortable with- which is a very valid concern, but I get the feeling that maybe she&#8217;s blaming the Western New Age and Pagan movements without necessarily having done all that much research on them.  Which is kind of why I&#8217;m here reading this article, really.)</p>
<p>She also argues that the idea of a upper, lower and middle world is not held by all Siberian shamans (I assume she&#8217;s referring specifically to the Evenk here)- she gets the impression that it might be a partially-successful attempt to reconcile traditional Evenk beliefs with Russian Christianity and Chinese Buddhism, with their depictions of Heaven and Hell.  I can&#8217;t read her original research on this, unfortunately (since it&#8217;s in French), but it&#8217;s an interesting idea.</p>
<p>Whew, long response, sorry.  My review of Hamayon&#8217;s article is here:<br />
<a href="http://anthropometamorphosis.blogspot.com/2009/01/review-of-concept-of-shamanism-uses-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://anthropometamorphosis.blogspot.com/2009/01/review-of-concept-of-shamanism-uses-and.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sarenth</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2007/12/05/this-may-be-blasphemous-to-some/#comment-519</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 08:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given that one of my earliest (around 1st grade) interests book-wise was Native Americans and Shamanism, and the most available subject at the time were legends and myths of shamans, I find it quite hard to separate a cultural perspective from the practice.  
When I later became a Pagan and began my exploration, I first began exploring in what I felt and still feel was a shamanistic way, albeit through the lens of Neo-Paganism and Wicca.  My elders quickly slapped me down when I wanted to become a Shaman, saying quite sternly that &quot;the only way to be a shaman is to be trained by one&quot; and &quot;the title is earned by a person from their tribe&quot; and similar pieces of dialog.  I was warned that I could not use the title whatsoever and that unless a shaman trained me, I never would.  That kind of impact on someone just embracing their spiritual path is monumental, and I would say, can be damaging.

I have since embraced an incredibly eclectic path, working with Deities and spirits from a wide variety of cultural, religious and spiritual backgrounds.  I research as heavily as I can before initiating a working arrangement with the Deities/spirits/etc. that I can, but I still retain some of my early &#039;shamanic&#039; understandings.  I think the less we embrace the wild, the ecstatic, the more dull and immobile our practices will become.
In short, I feel Pagans need to embrace, if not the word, then the shamanic mindset to further advance our practice.  As we have seen by those who practice CR and even CS, a lot of things are becoming codified.  This is not to say tradition is wrong or irrelevant; tradition and similar practices give us a ground floor to work with, and move off of.  This said, I would not want to sacrifice the progress of my or others&#039; spirituality to the trappings or workings of a tradition, especially when the tradition cannot serve the people engaged in it.

Just my thoughts, a kind of ramble at four in the morning.  My apologies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that one of my earliest (around 1st grade) interests book-wise was Native Americans and Shamanism, and the most available subject at the time were legends and myths of shamans, I find it quite hard to separate a cultural perspective from the practice.<br />
When I later became a Pagan and began my exploration, I first began exploring in what I felt and still feel was a shamanistic way, albeit through the lens of Neo-Paganism and Wicca.  My elders quickly slapped me down when I wanted to become a Shaman, saying quite sternly that &#8220;the only way to be a shaman is to be trained by one&#8221; and &#8220;the title is earned by a person from their tribe&#8221; and similar pieces of dialog.  I was warned that I could not use the title whatsoever and that unless a shaman trained me, I never would.  That kind of impact on someone just embracing their spiritual path is monumental, and I would say, can be damaging.</p>
<p>I have since embraced an incredibly eclectic path, working with Deities and spirits from a wide variety of cultural, religious and spiritual backgrounds.  I research as heavily as I can before initiating a working arrangement with the Deities/spirits/etc. that I can, but I still retain some of my early &#8216;shamanic&#8217; understandings.  I think the less we embrace the wild, the ecstatic, the more dull and immobile our practices will become.<br />
In short, I feel Pagans need to embrace, if not the word, then the shamanic mindset to further advance our practice.  As we have seen by those who practice CR and even CS, a lot of things are becoming codified.  This is not to say tradition is wrong or irrelevant; tradition and similar practices give us a ground floor to work with, and move off of.  This said, I would not want to sacrifice the progress of my or others&#8217; spirituality to the trappings or workings of a tradition, especially when the tradition cannot serve the people engaged in it.</p>
<p>Just my thoughts, a kind of ramble at four in the morning.  My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Riverwolf</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful, thought-provoking post and comments! Gives me lots more to chew on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful, thought-provoking post and comments! Gives me lots more to chew on.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2007/12/05/this-may-be-blasphemous-to-some/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therioshamanism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awarewolf--Thank you for your kind words. I know that for plenty of people core shamanism is a perfect fit, and that&#039;s fine. Part of the reason I&#039;m a career solitary, though, is because I&#039;m very firm on wanting to do things my way, and as I figure out what works for me, I end up poking and prodding at different concepts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awarewolf&#8211;Thank you for your kind words. I know that for plenty of people core shamanism is a perfect fit, and that&#8217;s fine. Part of the reason I&#8217;m a career solitary, though, is because I&#8217;m very firm on wanting to do things my way, and as I figure out what works for me, I end up poking and prodding at different concepts.</p>
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		<title>By: Awarewolf</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2007/12/05/this-may-be-blasphemous-to-some/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Awarewolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel that at the core of practice (regardless of its context) lies the ultimate and sole crucial tenant: believe.  To develop your own practice that fits for you has to strengthen the forces around you; this is especially true for those adjustments that you note contributing a significant improvement in results and/or energies.

I salute you for taking the road less traveled (perhaps it is the case that you are the only traveler now and forever) and feeling good about it.

Walk in the light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that at the core of practice (regardless of its context) lies the ultimate and sole crucial tenant: believe.  To develop your own practice that fits for you has to strengthen the forces around you; this is especially true for those adjustments that you note contributing a significant improvement in results and/or energies.</p>
<p>I salute you for taking the road less traveled (perhaps it is the case that you are the only traveler now and forever) and feeling good about it.</p>
<p>Walk in the light.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therioshamanism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walela--Only time will tell, won&#039;t it? Though trends can be pretty persistent--hasn&#039;t Celtic everything been popular for at least fifteen years now?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walela&#8211;Only time will tell, won&#8217;t it? Though trends can be pretty persistent&#8211;hasn&#8217;t Celtic everything been popular for at least fifteen years now?</p>
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