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	<title>Comments on: Prayer Beads and Correspondences</title>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2008/01/03/prayer-beads-and-correspondences/#comment-2768</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 05:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes people are afraid to venture out of the familiar. others are worried about losing something valuable passed down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes people are afraid to venture out of the familiar. others are worried about losing something valuable passed down.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2008/01/03/prayer-beads-and-correspondences/#comment-2767</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 05:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing my partner told me that has helped a lot--the map is not the territory. Our symbol systems are maps, and therefore largely subjective based on what we consider most valuable to highlight. They do not change the reality of what they represent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing my partner told me that has helped a lot&#8211;the map is not the territory. Our symbol systems are maps, and therefore largely subjective based on what we consider most valuable to highlight. They do not change the reality of what they represent.</p>
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		<title>By: Rua Lupa</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2008/01/03/prayer-beads-and-correspondences/#comment-2764</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s understandable with newbies who don’t really know what’s what yet. But I’ve also seen some pretty slavish adherence to what things are *supposed* to be, rather than letting them be what they *are*. It’s not necessarily because the things fit together, but because people want meanings spoon-fed to them.&quot;

Wow, that is really hitting it on the noggin, at least it is in my perspective. A lot of people seem to get caught up in the book reading and not in the reality or the experiential part of it. 

I&#039;ve been a bit frustrated by people who are so focused on singing the exact right traditional song for the occasion and are unwilling to create something new that may be better suited for their needs or the needs of the group. Sure, traditional is great and shouldn&#039;t be tossed on the wayside because something shiny and new seems to be better, but to concern yourself so much with the exactness of tradition that it takes away from the intended experience or that a slight alteration is blasphemy and shouldn&#039;t even be considered is a bit overboard in my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s understandable with newbies who don’t really know what’s what yet. But I’ve also seen some pretty slavish adherence to what things are *supposed* to be, rather than letting them be what they *are*. It’s not necessarily because the things fit together, but because people want meanings spoon-fed to them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, that is really hitting it on the noggin, at least it is in my perspective. A lot of people seem to get caught up in the book reading and not in the reality or the experiential part of it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a bit frustrated by people who are so focused on singing the exact right traditional song for the occasion and are unwilling to create something new that may be better suited for their needs or the needs of the group. Sure, traditional is great and shouldn&#8217;t be tossed on the wayside because something shiny and new seems to be better, but to concern yourself so much with the exactness of tradition that it takes away from the intended experience or that a slight alteration is blasphemy and shouldn&#8217;t even be considered is a bit overboard in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rua Lupa</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2008/01/03/prayer-beads-and-correspondences/#comment-2763</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 18:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...people sometimes spend so much time worrying about whether the correspondences associated with a particular stone, or totem, or herb, or deity ... match up with the other things they’re working with that it can get pretty damned complicated.&quot;

&quot;This made it pretty clear to me–don’t make correspondences just because you see them. Sure, twelve prayer bead meanings and twelve months match up nicely. But do they really have to?&quot;

I like how you pull back from being swallowed into the time consuming uselessness of over reading into things. It is pretty easy to fall into - speaking from experience. It takes a lot to just say, &quot;hold on there, why should I care about all this other stuff. What&#039;s important is what it means to me, not what other people tell me what it means.&quot; It took me a good long time to figure that one out. Glad you were able to too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;people sometimes spend so much time worrying about whether the correspondences associated with a particular stone, or totem, or herb, or deity &#8230; match up with the other things they’re working with that it can get pretty damned complicated.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;This made it pretty clear to me–don’t make correspondences just because you see them. Sure, twelve prayer bead meanings and twelve months match up nicely. But do they really have to?&#8221;</p>
<p>I like how you pull back from being swallowed into the time consuming uselessness of over reading into things. It is pretty easy to fall into &#8211; speaking from experience. It takes a lot to just say, &#8220;hold on there, why should I care about all this other stuff. What&#8217;s important is what it means to me, not what other people tell me what it means.&#8221; It took me a good long time to figure that one out. Glad you were able to too.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2008/01/03/prayer-beads-and-correspondences/#comment-200</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erynn--Exactly. This is also why I get irritated with the proliferation of animal totem dictionaries. We only can use so many set of correspondences, really, before we lose touch with what we&#039;re trying to connect with, be it a spirit or sacred symbol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erynn&#8211;Exactly. This is also why I get irritated with the proliferation of animal totem dictionaries. We only can use so many set of correspondences, really, before we lose touch with what we&#8217;re trying to connect with, be it a spirit or sacred symbol.</p>
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		<title>By: Erynn Laurie</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2008/01/03/prayer-beads-and-correspondences/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erynn Laurie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was why I was so adamant that the ogam is not a table of correspondences in my book. It *can* be used that way, but why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was why I was so adamant that the ogam is not a table of correspondences in my book. It *can* be used that way, but why?</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2008/01/03/prayer-beads-and-correspondences/#comment-195</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think part of the issue with correspondences specifically in neopaganism is laziness. It&#039;s understandable with newbies who don&#039;t really know what&#039;s what yet. But I&#039;ve also seen some pretty slavish adherence to what things are *supposed* to be, rather than letting them be what they *are*. It&#039;s not necessarily because the things fit together, but because people want meanings spoon-fed to them. Then they get all perplexed when the spirit, deity, magic, etc. doesn&#039;t work the way they expected. 

Sure, I&#039;m an author. But that doesn&#039;t mean that I&#039;m only associated with writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the issue with correspondences specifically in neopaganism is laziness. It&#8217;s understandable with newbies who don&#8217;t really know what&#8217;s what yet. But I&#8217;ve also seen some pretty slavish adherence to what things are *supposed* to be, rather than letting them be what they *are*. It&#8217;s not necessarily because the things fit together, but because people want meanings spoon-fed to them. Then they get all perplexed when the spirit, deity, magic, etc. doesn&#8217;t work the way they expected. </p>
<p>Sure, I&#8217;m an author. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that I&#8217;m only associated with writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2008/01/03/prayer-beads-and-correspondences/#comment-193</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bleh!  I know what you mean.  Having a correspondences for the sake of having correspondences is often fruitless.  I&#039;m sure there are ceremonial folks out there who really benefit from that style, but I find the emphasis on charts and layering complexity really sucks the life out of magic.  I do use correspondence in my practice, but I find that less is more.  Same thing with a cosmology.  If the map gets too detailed, there is a real pitfall for witch/shaman/magician to confuse it for the actual territory rather than to trust their own experiences.  

There really is a line between have a magical cosmology/structure that helps the practioner structure their magic to effectively tap into the Otherworld AND be lean enough that it does interfere with the practioner&#039;s ability to experience the Otherworld on its own terms,  I don&#039;t want my experiences constantly mediated by other people&#039;s experiences and conceptions of what it *should* be.   Same thing with correspondences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bleh!  I know what you mean.  Having a correspondences for the sake of having correspondences is often fruitless.  I&#8217;m sure there are ceremonial folks out there who really benefit from that style, but I find the emphasis on charts and layering complexity really sucks the life out of magic.  I do use correspondence in my practice, but I find that less is more.  Same thing with a cosmology.  If the map gets too detailed, there is a real pitfall for witch/shaman/magician to confuse it for the actual territory rather than to trust their own experiences.  </p>
<p>There really is a line between have a magical cosmology/structure that helps the practioner structure their magic to effectively tap into the Otherworld AND be lean enough that it does interfere with the practioner&#8217;s ability to experience the Otherworld on its own terms,  I don&#8217;t want my experiences constantly mediated by other people&#8217;s experiences and conceptions of what it *should* be.   Same thing with correspondences.</p>
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