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	<title>Comments on: An Ecopsychological Alternative to &#8220;Maiden, Mother and Crone&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Riverwolf</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2010/02/28/an-ecopsychological-alternative-to-maiden-mother-and-crone/#comment-1771</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Riverwolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So glad to hear someone else get pissy about gender duality! That&#039;s one reason I&#039;m attracted to shamanism as a gay man, because of the gender freedom it allows. But gender duality is everywhere in the pagan world: &quot;male&quot; energy vs. &quot;female&quot; energy, masculine &quot;direction&quot; vs. feminine &quot;direction,&quot; and on and on. Seriously, the more I learn, the more I am leaning to making up my own stuff--and daring anyone to question me! 

When I first heard of MMC, I thought it provided a way for women to embrace better the crone aspect of their lives, especially since our culture rejects that entirely. But that&#039;s just my own limited perspective. It always did seemed tied to much to the uterus. This reminds me of reading &quot;Fire in the Belly&quot; years ago, a book closely tied to the emerging men&#039;s spirituality movement in the early 90s. At the end of all the lovely writing and thinking, the author basically concludes that we men are here to have children and to pass on our wisdom, and that makes it all worthwhile and will fill any voids in our lives. Ok, gee, thanks for leaving out MILLIONS of people, dude, not just GLBT community but also anyone who for whatever reason can&#039;t have kids or simply chooses not to. A good book in many ways but ultimately disappointing. 

Ok, enough of me being pissy. Thanks for posting this!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad to hear someone else get pissy about gender duality! That&#8217;s one reason I&#8217;m attracted to shamanism as a gay man, because of the gender freedom it allows. But gender duality is everywhere in the pagan world: &#8220;male&#8221; energy vs. &#8220;female&#8221; energy, masculine &#8220;direction&#8221; vs. feminine &#8220;direction,&#8221; and on and on. Seriously, the more I learn, the more I am leaning to making up my own stuff&#8211;and daring anyone to question me! </p>
<p>When I first heard of MMC, I thought it provided a way for women to embrace better the crone aspect of their lives, especially since our culture rejects that entirely. But that&#8217;s just my own limited perspective. It always did seemed tied to much to the uterus. This reminds me of reading &#8220;Fire in the Belly&#8221; years ago, a book closely tied to the emerging men&#8217;s spirituality movement in the early 90s. At the end of all the lovely writing and thinking, the author basically concludes that we men are here to have children and to pass on our wisdom, and that makes it all worthwhile and will fill any voids in our lives. Ok, gee, thanks for leaving out MILLIONS of people, dude, not just GLBT community but also anyone who for whatever reason can&#8217;t have kids or simply chooses not to. A good book in many ways but ultimately disappointing. </p>
<p>Ok, enough of me being pissy. Thanks for posting this!</p>
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		<title>By: Kelley</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2010/02/28/an-ecopsychological-alternative-to-maiden-mother-and-crone/#comment-1770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.caerclud.vscotland.org.uk/articles/cailleach.html

It doesn&#039;t go into the roles of MMC, just details how Maiden/Crone really aren&#039;t connected in Scottish lore.  I&#039;m excited to see where you go with this.  Hope the info is revealing.

Also--random tangent --Donna Hennes has rewritten her own version of MMC to include the Queen--MMQC--women past childbirthing who are quite empowered by that fact.  http://www.thequeenofmyself.com/

But, life cycles and wheels--Yes!]]></description>
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<p>It doesn&#8217;t go into the roles of MMC, just details how Maiden/Crone really aren&#8217;t connected in Scottish lore.  I&#8217;m excited to see where you go with this.  Hope the info is revealing.</p>
<p>Also&#8211;random tangent &#8211;Donna Hennes has rewritten her own version of MMC to include the Queen&#8211;MMQC&#8211;women past childbirthing who are quite empowered by that fact.  <a href="http://www.thequeenofmyself.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thequeenofmyself.com/</a></p>
<p>But, life cycles and wheels&#8211;Yes!</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2010/02/28/an-ecopsychological-alternative-to-maiden-mother-and-crone/#comment-1769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therioshamanism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope, wasn&#039;t me, but I&#039;d be curious!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, wasn&#8217;t me, but I&#8217;d be curious!</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2010/02/28/an-ecopsychological-alternative-to-maiden-mother-and-crone/#comment-1768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therioshamanism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t really delved into gender-based mysteries too much, mainly because I keep getting diverted into being pissy about the gender binary. 

Part of the problem is that aforementioned obsession with gender duality. While pagans tend to be somewhat more friendly to a gender continuum, there are still plenty who are freaked out by any deviation outside of masculine men and feminine women. That and people also like nice, neat categories to put themselves in because it&#039;s a lot easier than introspection.

Heh--now that&#039;s all I&#039;m ever going to think of with that acronym!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t really delved into gender-based mysteries too much, mainly because I keep getting diverted into being pissy about the gender binary. </p>
<p>Part of the problem is that aforementioned obsession with gender duality. While pagans tend to be somewhat more friendly to a gender continuum, there are still plenty who are freaked out by any deviation outside of masculine men and feminine women. That and people also like nice, neat categories to put themselves in because it&#8217;s a lot easier than introspection.</p>
<p>Heh&#8211;now that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m ever going to think of with that acronym!</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2010/02/28/an-ecopsychological-alternative-to-maiden-mother-and-crone/#comment-1767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therioshamanism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to summarize them; even the basic tasks and other key words are really insufficient. It&#039;s such a comprehensive system that you pretty much have to read the entire book to get the full effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to summarize them; even the basic tasks and other key words are really insufficient. It&#8217;s such a comprehensive system that you pretty much have to read the entire book to get the full effect.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2010/02/28/an-ecopsychological-alternative-to-maiden-mother-and-crone/#comment-1766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therioshamanism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*nods* Thank you for the extra information! I hope you enjoy the book as much as I did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*nods* Thank you for the extra information! I hope you enjoy the book as much as I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelley</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2010/02/28/an-ecopsychological-alternative-to-maiden-mother-and-crone/#comment-1765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As we approached Imbolc this year, I read an excellent piece on how the MMC thing is a fairly new construct, that there really was no correlation between them, as a unit.  Did you post it?  Ah well,  I will dig it up if you want to read it.

xxoo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we approached Imbolc this year, I read an excellent piece on how the MMC thing is a fairly new construct, that there really was no correlation between them, as a unit.  Did you post it?  Ah well,  I will dig it up if you want to read it.</p>
<p>xxoo</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2010/02/28/an-ecopsychological-alternative-to-maiden-mother-and-crone/#comment-1764</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you written anything about the entire concept of men&#039;s &amp; women&#039;s mysteries yet?  I&#039;d love to read you on that, too.  

I&#039;ve done the breeding thing, and didn&#039;t feel anything &#039;newly spiritual&#039; or a special connection to &quot;The  Mother&quot; during pregnancy or parenting.  I later had a hysterectomy without a twinge of feeling it diminished me &#039;as a woman&#039;.  I&#039;m not saying that some women might not get something wonderous from all things uterine ... but, to quote  Sojourner Truth, ain&#039;t I a woman?  Yup, I&#039;m just one that finds social roles different than archetypes and spiritual roles, and that I&#039;m not defined by my uterus.

Besides - am I the only person who sees MMC and thinks Mickey Mouse Club?

Frondly, Fern]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you written anything about the entire concept of men&#8217;s &amp; women&#8217;s mysteries yet?  I&#8217;d love to read you on that, too.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done the breeding thing, and didn&#8217;t feel anything &#8216;newly spiritual&#8217; or a special connection to &#8220;The  Mother&#8221; during pregnancy or parenting.  I later had a hysterectomy without a twinge of feeling it diminished me &#8216;as a woman&#8217;.  I&#8217;m not saying that some women might not get something wonderous from all things uterine &#8230; but, to quote  Sojourner Truth, ain&#8217;t I a woman?  Yup, I&#8217;m just one that finds social roles different than archetypes and spiritual roles, and that I&#8217;m not defined by my uterus.</p>
<p>Besides &#8211; am I the only person who sees MMC and thinks Mickey Mouse Club?</p>
<p>Frondly, Fern</p>
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		<title>By: Alfrecht</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alfrecht]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d be interested in hearing more about what the characteristics of each of the stages happens to be...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested in hearing more about what the characteristics of each of the stages happens to be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aidan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to Hutton, a certain Mary Green was the source of the whole MMC thing that Graves and others glommed onto. 1932 was when she wrote about them, if memory serves. Just an FYI.

Everything in here was awesome - I heartily agree, and am going to go order &lt;i&gt;Nature and the Human Soul&lt;/i&gt; now...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Hutton, a certain Mary Green was the source of the whole MMC thing that Graves and others glommed onto. 1932 was when she wrote about them, if memory serves. Just an FYI.</p>
<p>Everything in here was awesome &#8211; I heartily agree, and am going to go order <i>Nature and the Human Soul</i> now&#8230;</p>
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