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		<title>By: Heather Awen</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4706</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heather Awen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOVE IT.  Being homeless in a car with many disabilities and every social service aware and doing nothing, thinking of all the freakin&#039; help I have give others and low wage social service jobs I had where I went above and beyond, I was like &quot;Wow, what goes around does not come around.&quot; This was the first post on my blog and a big hit at Witchvox til I got stagefright. Found out a lot of people live in fear the way I did/do from this crap.  http://tidesturner.blogspot.com/2010/12/creating-each-others-reality-myth-of.html Ian Corrigan has a good speil on this too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVE IT.  Being homeless in a car with many disabilities and every social service aware and doing nothing, thinking of all the freakin&#8217; help I have give others and low wage social service jobs I had where I went above and beyond, I was like &#8220;Wow, what goes around does not come around.&#8221; This was the first post on my blog and a big hit at Witchvox til I got stagefright. Found out a lot of people live in fear the way I did/do from this crap.  <a href="http://tidesturner.blogspot.com/2010/12/creating-each-others-reality-myth-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://tidesturner.blogspot.com/2010/12/creating-each-others-reality-myth-of.html</a> Ian Corrigan has a good speil on this too.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4145</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And there we get back to our friend confirmation bias, where people look for anything that supports their claims while ignoring the rest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there we get back to our friend confirmation bias, where people look for anything that supports their claims while ignoring the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4144</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And when you get down to it, something big like a building falling is largely a product of physics (and sometimes bad construction). A living being caught underneath was there at the wrong place and wrong time, just like a mouse caught by a hawk was unlucky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when you get down to it, something big like a building falling is largely a product of physics (and sometimes bad construction). A living being caught underneath was there at the wrong place and wrong time, just like a mouse caught by a hawk was unlucky.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therioshamanism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re welcome! And that drive me crazy, too, this idea that &quot;everything must have a reason so let&#039;s make one up that helps us feel better about what we see as crappy things in life&quot;. I hate that pity-inducing &quot;You&#039;re just working off some bad karma&quot; when applied to anyone at any disadvantage, as though things like genes not firing correctly can&#039;t exist independently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome! And that drive me crazy, too, this idea that &#8220;everything must have a reason so let&#8217;s make one up that helps us feel better about what we see as crappy things in life&#8221;. I hate that pity-inducing &#8220;You&#8217;re just working off some bad karma&#8221; when applied to anyone at any disadvantage, as though things like genes not firing correctly can&#8217;t exist independently.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therioshamanism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you! I don&#039;t have a lot to add to that, except that I think much of the &quot;opposing&quot; forces are perfectly natural and not actually trying to destroy everything in a conscious manner--the entropy of the universe, for example. I think sometimes we blow our own importance up way further on a universal level than is necessary, which doesn&#039;t of course make us and our actions less important on our own level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! I don&#8217;t have a lot to add to that, except that I think much of the &#8220;opposing&#8221; forces are perfectly natural and not actually trying to destroy everything in a conscious manner&#8211;the entropy of the universe, for example. I think sometimes we blow our own importance up way further on a universal level than is necessary, which doesn&#8217;t of course make us and our actions less important on our own level.</p>
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		<title>By: therioshamanism</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[therioshamanism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you! The closer I get to nature itself, the more I feel these structures are unnecessary to my experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! The closer I get to nature itself, the more I feel these structures are unnecessary to my experience.</p>
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		<title>By: thelettuceman</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4137</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a wonderful post, thank you.  

Karma has been co-opted as a White Man&#039;s Bogeyman, a way for weekend-spiritualist soccer parents to frighten people into adhering to a concept of social acceptance, and using it to justify the world around them.

Bad things happen to good people, just as readily as bad people.  I equate it to Friday the 13th.  There&#039;s nothing inherently unlucky about the day, but when people are LOOKING for bad luck, they&#039;ll use any excuse and may blow it out of proportion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful post, thank you.  </p>
<p>Karma has been co-opted as a White Man&#8217;s Bogeyman, a way for weekend-spiritualist soccer parents to frighten people into adhering to a concept of social acceptance, and using it to justify the world around them.</p>
<p>Bad things happen to good people, just as readily as bad people.  I equate it to Friday the 13th.  There&#8217;s nothing inherently unlucky about the day, but when people are LOOKING for bad luck, they&#8217;ll use any excuse and may blow it out of proportion.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Carper</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Virginia Carper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I stop believing in Karma when a wall fell on me.  Actually I never believed in Karma - the New Age kind - since I thought it was a lot of misplaced Christian hooey about &quot;the Divine Plan for each of us&quot; mixed up with we have to experience this stuff to become enlightened Ascended Masters (TM).  The world is random, even Christ pointed that out when He said about the building falling on innocent people, through no fault of their own or their Ancestors.  Crud happens - it is a part of the Chaos we live in.  In the grand scheme of things, Chaos is always with us forcing everyone to cope with change.  If we don&#039;t change, we become extinct.  Sorry got off on another topic there... but you are right Karma is a form of illusionary control.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stop believing in Karma when a wall fell on me.  Actually I never believed in Karma &#8211; the New Age kind &#8211; since I thought it was a lot of misplaced Christian hooey about &#8220;the Divine Plan for each of us&#8221; mixed up with we have to experience this stuff to become enlightened Ascended Masters (TM).  The world is random, even Christ pointed that out when He said about the building falling on innocent people, through no fault of their own or their Ancestors.  Crud happens &#8211; it is a part of the Chaos we live in.  In the grand scheme of things, Chaos is always with us forcing everyone to cope with change.  If we don&#8217;t change, we become extinct.  Sorry got off on another topic there&#8230; but you are right Karma is a form of illusionary control.</p>
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		<title>By: Brannen</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brannen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for putting this up. I&#039;ve had issues with Karma/3FL since before I had admitted any spirituality to myself at all. And its even more of a turn off these days since I tend to hear it used most often in conjunction with victim blaming for events around the local gossip mill. &quot;Well, she MUST have done something to earn what happened to her...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for putting this up. I&#8217;ve had issues with Karma/3FL since before I had admitted any spirituality to myself at all. And its even more of a turn off these days since I tend to hear it used most often in conjunction with victim blaming for events around the local gossip mill. &#8220;Well, she MUST have done something to earn what happened to her&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://therioshamanism.com/2012/09/26/i-dont-believe-in-karma/#comment-4131</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 21:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post!  Like you say, the concept of karma has become twisted into an excuse for absolving oneself from personal responsibility.  It has become yet another aspect of the modern worldview that supports giving up our power (power-within).   

Yes, the New Age view is correct that like attracts like - that reality mirrors back to us what we project.  We all dream reality into existence, but because we are all essentially One, reality is a collective dream.  And thus we personally each share responsibility for ALL the evil that happens in the world.  Energetic cause and effect is real, but the effects are shared by all of us, because we are all participating in the dreaming.  Yes, by being conscious dreamers we can to a great extent influence the external reality of our life, but we all are connected in our dreaming - so we can easily create bad causes for others to have to deal with (like dreaming an uber-luxurious lifestyle for ourselves that creates poverty and death in other parts of the world).  Cause and effect aren&#039;t direct, simple, and isolated to each individual.  Frankly, the idea that it is is naive and childish (much like the New Age movement in general).  

Similarly, thinking that everything that happens in the world is according to the Divine plan is also naive, because it completely denies the fact that there are two opposing forces (so to speak) at work.  Yes there is a Divine plan (the will of the Earth and Creator, that supports the flourishing of all life), but there also exist beings and energies that desire and work toward the opposite - and many humans consciously and unconsciously choose to serve the will of the latter.  That is what free will means, that we can always choose to go one way or the other.  

The Abrahamic religions understand that evil exists, even within us humans, but somehow don&#039;t put two and two together in realizing that evil in the world isn&#039;t the work of Satan, but humans.  Yes, dark entities do hugely impact the world, but only as much as humans enable them to (we are their doorway to agency here, just as we are for angels as well). To be fair, they are constantly trying to manipulate us to create more darkness (in subtle and deceptive ways), but the responsibility for our actions ultimately lies with us, regardless.

People need to watch Star Wars again - there is much truth there!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  Like you say, the concept of karma has become twisted into an excuse for absolving oneself from personal responsibility.  It has become yet another aspect of the modern worldview that supports giving up our power (power-within).   </p>
<p>Yes, the New Age view is correct that like attracts like &#8211; that reality mirrors back to us what we project.  We all dream reality into existence, but because we are all essentially One, reality is a collective dream.  And thus we personally each share responsibility for ALL the evil that happens in the world.  Energetic cause and effect is real, but the effects are shared by all of us, because we are all participating in the dreaming.  Yes, by being conscious dreamers we can to a great extent influence the external reality of our life, but we all are connected in our dreaming &#8211; so we can easily create bad causes for others to have to deal with (like dreaming an uber-luxurious lifestyle for ourselves that creates poverty and death in other parts of the world).  Cause and effect aren&#8217;t direct, simple, and isolated to each individual.  Frankly, the idea that it is is naive and childish (much like the New Age movement in general).  </p>
<p>Similarly, thinking that everything that happens in the world is according to the Divine plan is also naive, because it completely denies the fact that there are two opposing forces (so to speak) at work.  Yes there is a Divine plan (the will of the Earth and Creator, that supports the flourishing of all life), but there also exist beings and energies that desire and work toward the opposite &#8211; and many humans consciously and unconsciously choose to serve the will of the latter.  That is what free will means, that we can always choose to go one way or the other.  </p>
<p>The Abrahamic religions understand that evil exists, even within us humans, but somehow don&#8217;t put two and two together in realizing that evil in the world isn&#8217;t the work of Satan, but humans.  Yes, dark entities do hugely impact the world, but only as much as humans enable them to (we are their doorway to agency here, just as we are for angels as well). To be fair, they are constantly trying to manipulate us to create more darkness (in subtle and deceptive ways), but the responsibility for our actions ultimately lies with us, regardless.</p>
<p>People need to watch Star Wars again &#8211; there is much truth there!</p>
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